03 U.S. & AFGANISTAN: NOSTRADAMUS & THE VERDICT FROM TALIBAN CLERICS

+THE AFGHAN INGRATITUDE 

+ 11 years ago I wrote one letter to a Spanish newspaper and was published in the section of letters to the editor.

+ Back in the 1980s, the Reagan administration happily cooperated with the precursors of al-Qaida in America's covert war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

Sheikh Abdel Rahman.

+ It never occurred to the Americans then that the same people working with them to overthrow the Soviets would one day follow the lead of the blind sheikh Abdel Rahman and attack America (1993 World Trade Center bombing) and years later, follow the leadership of Bin Laden to destroy America. 

 More Info:

http://www.carolineglick.com/e/2012/07/obamas-spectacular-failure.php

Bin Laden - Reuters. Happy Afgan days.

+ After the attacks of 11 September there were people who said that Nostradamus had predicted that disaster. Even someone invented a quatrain. I have not found any of these terrorist acts, but 11 years ago I found a quatrain describing the war in Afghanistan between the U.S. and some clerics unfair or unpleasant, is this quatrain:

Nostradamus wrote this quatrain:

Century X - Quatrain 73. Old French.

Le temps present auecques le passé
Sera iugé par grand Iouialiste,(1)
Le monde tard luy sera lassé,
Et desloyal par le clergé iuriste.(2)

Century X - Quatrain 73. Possible English version.

The present time together with the past
Will be judged by the great Jovialiste,(1)
The world too late will be tired of him,
And through the clergy oath-taker disloyal.(2)

Comment:

(1) Jovialiste is U.S.

 From the Latin "Jovialis" relating to Jupiter. The Americans give thanks to God on the fourth Thursday of November (the day of Thanksgiving) and Thursday in latin means the day of Jupiter. If you read a dictionary etymological you will see the relationship or you can read in "The Devil's Dictionary" by Ambrose Bearce the word "Zeus".

More Info:

http://prophecyexperimentalzone.blogspot.com.es/2012/07/us-jovialiste-nostradamus-word.html

(2)  President Bush requested the extradition of Bin Laden to the Taliban government of Afghanistan. The response was the request for evidence of crime and a religious meeting of experts in Islamic law or the Afghanistan's Grand Islamic Council of Ulema (4). Around 600 clerics, or ulema make up the council and its decision was contrary to the interests of the United States. Bin Laden will not be delivered and demand evidences of the crime.

A good product into the wrong hands.

Then I wrote a letter that said this:

Monday 24 IX 2001, page 46, newspaper "La Razon", Catalonia (Spain).

"Interpretation of terror"

+ "I have tried to meet the required limits without losing consistency and clarity the arguments in defense of a French physician named Nostradamus are being fulfilled now .I think there is a Nostradamus quatrain that refers to the current Afghan conflict. belongs to the Century X, number 73 and reads:

 "The present time together with the past
Will be judged by the great Jovialiste,

 The world too late will be tired of him,
And through the clergy oath-taker disloyal"

 The clergy jurist would be the reunion of Afghan Ulema (Doctors of Muslim law, lawyers and theologians) who refused to obey the orders that came from the United States.

  The word "Jovialiste" represents the United States by his absolute power as "Jovialiste" derived from the Latin word  "Jupiter", the god maximim of Roman mythology, and by their origin: They celebrate the day of thanksgiving in memory of parents pilgrims who stayed in the new world, the fourth Thursday of November, and Thursday in latin means the day of Jupiter.

 So my interpretation would be this: United States may decide what is right or wrong in the world, but this power will be late and Afghan Taliban Ulema it rise up against him and defeated him.

Jose Galofre Manero.
 Barcelona

Look "Interpretación del terror", means "interpretation of terror"- date: 24/IX/2001.

Last Comment

+ Now I just have to wait and see if what I suspected for more than 10 years is about to become reality.

+ There is already a date for the flight of Western troops from the territory of Afghanistan: 2014.
+ On the other hand the production of drugs is increasing, much more than in the time of the Taliban government or any other era .
+  It's too late for the United States and they will lose. The Taliban and its allies win. Why? I do not know, but that's history.

Something go wrong.

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MORE INFO
Reactions to the September 9 and 11 attacks:

The preludes to the 9/11:

  Otherwise known as the blind sheikh, Abdel Rahman was the mastermind of the jihadist cell in New Jersey that perpetrated the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. His cell also murdered Rabbi Meir Kahane in New York in 1990. They plotted the assassination of then-president Hosni Mubarak. They intended to bomb New York landmarks including the Lincoln and Holland tunnels and the UN headquarters.

After the August 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings were linked to Bin Laden, President Bill Clinton ordered missile strikes on militant training camps in Afghanistan. U.S. officials pressed the Taliban to surrender bin Laden, and the international community imposed sanctions on the Taliban in 1999, calling for bin Laden to be surrendered. The Taliban repeatedly rebuffed the demands, however.......

 9/9 and 9/11:

 The assassination of anti-Taliban leader Ahmad Shah Massoud on 9 September 2001, and the 11 September attacks on the United States, in which nearly 3000 civilians died in New York City, Arlington, Virginia, and Shanksville, Pennsylvania. The United States identified members of al-Qaeda, an organization based in, operating out of and allied with the Afganistan government or Taliban's Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (1), as the perpetrators of the attacks. Mullah (2) Mohammed Omar (3) was Afghanistan's head of state from 1996 to late 2001 and is the spiritual leader of the Taliban. 

Mullah Omar said:

  Mullah Mohammed Omar en a BBC's Pashto interview after the September 11 attacks in 2001, he told that "You (the BBC) and American puppet radios have created concern. But the current situation in Afghanistan is related to a bigger cause - that is the destruction of America...This is not a matter of weapons. We are hopeful for Allah's help. The real matter is the extinction of America. And, Allah willing, it [America] will fall to the ground... We will not accept a government of wrong-doers. We prefer death than to be a part of an evil government... "

World said:

 The attacks were denounced by mass media and governments worldwide. Across the globe, nations offered pro-American support and solidarity.United Nations Security Council Resolution 1368 condemned the attacks, and expressed readiness to take all necessary steps to respond and combat all forms of terrorism in accordance with their Charter. Leaders in most Middle Eastern countries, and Afghanistan, condemned the attacks. Iraq was a notable exception, with an immediate official statement that, "the American cowboys are reaping the fruit of their crimes against humanity".While the government of Saudi Arabia officially condemned the attacks, privately many Saudis favored bin Laden's cause. As in the United States, the aftermath of the attacks saw tensions increase in other countries between Muslims and non-Muslims

Ultimatum:

 On 20 September 2001, U.S. president George W. Bush addressed the United States Congress and demanded that the Taliban deliver Osama bin Laden and destroy bases of al Qaeda. On 5 October 2001, the Taliban offered to try Bin Laden in an Afghan court, so long as the United States provided what it called "solid evidence" of his guilt, but the U.S. would not hand over its evidence to the Taliban.

After the September 11 attacks on the U.S. and the PENTTBOM investigation, the United States made the following demands of the Taliban,

1. Deliver to the U.S. all of the leaders of Al-Qaeda
2. Release all foreign nationals that have been "unjustly imprisoned"
3. Protect foreign journalists, diplomats, and aid workers
4. Close immediately every terrorist training camp
5. Hand over every terrorist and their supporters to appropriate authorities
6. Give the United States full access to terrorist training camps for inspection

The U.S. petitioned the international community to back a military campaign to overthrow the Taliban .On September 22, the United Arab Emirates, and later Saudi Arabia, withdrew recognition of the Taliban as Afghanistan's legal government, leaving neighbouring Pakistan as the only remaining country with diplomatic ties. On October 4, the Taliban agreed to turn bin Laden over to Pakistan for trial in an international tribunal that operated according to Islamic Sharia law, but Pakistan blocked the offer as it was not possible to guarantee his safety. On October 7, the Taliban ambassador to Pakistan offered to detain bin Laden and try him under Islamic law if the U.S. made a formal request and presented the Taliban with evidence. A Bush administration official, speaking on condition of anonymity, rejected the Taliban offer, and stated that the U.S. would not negotiate their demands.

 Secret U.S. Message to Mullah Omar:

"Every Pillar of the Taliban Regime Will Be Destroyed"

 According to previously secret U.S. documents posted today by the National Security Archive at www.nsarchive.org. The document collection includes high-level strategic planning memos that shed light on the U.S. response to the attacks and the Bush administration's reluctance to become involved in post-Taliban reconstruction in Afghanistan. As an October 2001 National Security Council strategy paper noted, "The U.S. should not commit to any post-Taliban military involvement since the U.S. will be heavily engaged in the anti-terrorism effort worldwide." [Document 18]

 http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB358a/index.htm

 Taliban 'will try Bin Laden if US provides evidence' .

 By ataff and agencies.The Guardian, Friday 5 Octuber 2001.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/05/afghanistan.terrorism

The Taliban ambassador to Pakistan, Abdul Salem Zaeef, responded to the ultimatum by demanding "convincing evidence" that Bin Laden was involved in the attacks, stating "our position is that if America has evidence and proof, they should produce it." Additionally, the Taliban insisted that any trial of Bin Laden be held in an Afghan court. Zaeef also claimed that "4,000 Jews working in the Trade Center had prior knowledge of the suicide missions, and 'were absent on that day.'"

This response was generally dismissed as a delaying tactic, rather than a sincere attempt to cooperate with the ultimatum.

 So many confusion. look:
 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/sep/28/afghanistan.terrorism1?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487

The verdict from Taliban clerics (September 20, 2001) by CNN:

 http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-20/world/ret.afghan.clerics.statement_1_clerics-muslims-islamic-emirate?_s=PM:asiapcf

 The following are translated sections, provided by Reuters news agency, of the verdict issued by the Grand Council of Ulema, or Afghan Islamic clerics, to the Taliban leaders. It is a recommendation regarding Saudi exile Osama bin Laden, whom the United States believes to have been the force behind the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington. Bin Laden is living in Afghanistan and the U.S. wants him extradited to face trial.

Following are parts of the text issued by clerics from Afghanistan's Grand Islamic Council on Thursday. Around 600 clerics, or ulema make up the council:

"The nation of Afghanistan has always referred major issues to honorable ulema for a solution. The honorable ulema have always endeavored to find a solution to problems."

 In order to avoid the current tumult and also similar suspicion in the future, the high council of the honourable ulema recommends to the Islamic Emirate to persuade Osama bin Laden to leave Afghanistan whenever possible and chose another place for himself.

...The ulema of Afghanistan, in the face of their heavy responsibility for the solution of the problems, and in the light of Islam's holy religion, endorse the following decision and verdict: "The ulema of Afghanistan voice their sadness over deaths in America and hope that America does not attack Afghanistan, exerts complete patience and accuracy and investigates the issue in its totality."

"If infidels invade an Islamic country and that country does not have the ability to defend itself, jihad becomes an obligation on all Muslims."

Full Text: The Taliban clerics' statement on Bin Laden

 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/sep/20/afghanistan.september115

 Finally, the Taliban refused to hand over bin Laden to US authorities and to disband al-Qaeda bases in Afghanistan. In October 2001.

 WAR

 The War in Afghanistan (2001–present), began on October 7, 2001, as the armed forces of the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, and the Afghan United Front (Northern Alliance) launched Operation Enduring Freedom. The primary driver of the invasion was the September 11 attacks on the United States, with the stated goal of dismantling the al-Qaeda terrorist organization and ending its use of Afghanistan as a base. The United States also said that it would remove the Taliban regime from power and create a viable democratic state. A decade into the war, the U.S. continues to battle a widespread Taliban insurgency, and the war has expanded into the tribal area of neighboring Pakistan.

 The War in Afghanistan is also the United States' longest running war. On 1 December 2009, U.S. President Barack Obama announced that he would deploy an additional 30,000 soldiers over a period of six months. He also set a withdrawal date for the year 2014.

And a few days after the troops of North Vietnam entered Saigon, capital of South Vietnam and the U.S. embassy should be dropped by air.

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UPDATE: LAST SENTENCES BEFORE .....+++ Dec. 2, 2014
Although the top commander in Afghanistan, Gen. John Campbell, has said any talk of a Taliban resurgence is “absolutely false,” critics who have watched the Islamic State sweep over Iraq after the U.S. withdrawal are looking on nervously.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/12/02/taliban-flexes-muscle-with-high-profile-attacks-ahead-us-drawdown/?intcmp=latestnews


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NOTES

+ GENERAL INFO:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special_reports/taliban_conflict/

 (1) The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (Pashto: د افغانستان اسلامي امارات, Da Afghanistan Islami Amarat), was founded in 1996 when the Taliban began their rule of Afghanistan and ended with their fall from power in 2001. Even at the peak of their influence, the Taliban never controlled the entire area of Afghanistan, as about 10% of the country in the northeast was held by the United Islamic Front for the Salvation of Afghanistan.

Taliban structure of power and Mullahs :

 

The paramount ruler of the Ismalic Emirate of Afghanistan (proclaimed on 26 Oct 1997) was the spiritual and political leader of the Taliban movement, Mullah Mohammad Omar Akhund, self-styled Amir ul-Momenin (Commander of the Faithful) since 4 Apr 1996. The Supreme Council (or Shura) was first established in Kandahar in 1994 by ten Taliban leaders, all of them mullah, and chaired by Mullah M. Rabbani. After taking Kabul in 1996, a local shura was established and acted as a provisional Government. Nevertheless, the structure of power of the Taliban was always unclear, and the regime didn't designate a head of State or Government when Mullah Rabbani died on 16 Apr 2001.

More see: Inside The Taliban [by National Geographic]

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4cVVuSi2fI

(2) Mullah (Arabic: ملا‎) Muslim trained in the doctrine and law of Islam; the head of a mosque. Who are the interpreters of Islam's sciences and doctrines and laws and the chief guarantors of continuity in the spiritual and intellectual history of the Islamic community.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Mullah

 Is generally used to refer to a Muslim man, educated in Islamic theology and sacred law. The title, given to some Islamic clergy, is derived from the Arabic word مَوْلَى mawlā, meaning "vicar", "master" and "guardian". In large parts of the Muslim world, particularly Iran, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Turkey, Central Asia, Somalia and South Asia, it is the name commonly given to local Islamic clerics or mosque leaders.

The title has also been used in some Sephardic Jewish communities to refer to the community's leadership, especially religious leadership.It is primarily understood in the Muslim world as a term of respect for an educated man

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullah

 (3) Mullah Mohammed Omar (Pashto: ملا محمد عمر; born c. 1959), often simply called Mullah Omar, is the spiritual leader of the Taliban. He was Afghanistan's de facto head of state from 1996 to late 2001, under the official title "Head of the Supreme Council". He held the title Commander of the Faithful of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, which was recognized by only three nations: Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.The state was not recognised in the UN. Turkmenistan, however, was known to have held official meetings and agreements with Taliban government ministers.

 Mullah Omar has been wanted by the U.S. State Department's Rewards for Justice program since October 2001, for sheltering Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda militants in the years prior to the September 11 attacks.Those who were close to him say that he requested evidence from the United States regarding bin Laden and his alleged hand in the 9/11 attacks but did not receive any. He is believed to be directing the Taliban insurgency against the U.S.-led NATO forces and the puppet Government of Afghanistan.

Look:

 http://barenakedislam.com/2012/07/13/afghanistan-taliban-leader-mullah-omar-was-on-the-u-s-state-departments-most-wanted-terrorist-list-from-2001-until-barack-hussein-obama-took-office/

(4) Ulema: 
+The body of Mullahs (Muslim scholars trained in Islam and Islamic law) who are the interpreters of Islam's sciences and doctrines and laws and the chief guarantors of continuity in the spiritual and intellectual history of the Islamic community. (by Princeton´s WordNet).

+ A college or corporation in Turkey composed of the hierarchy, namely, the imams, or ministers of religion, the muftis, or doctors of law, and the cadis, or administrators of justice. (Webster Dictionary).


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ADDENDA, January 9, 2013
 
SAGA U.S. & :

6 THIRD VISION OF GEORGE WASHINGTON
http://prophecyexperimentalzone.blogspot.com.es/2013/01/06-us-third-vision-of-george-washington.html
 

5 ISRAEL, THE ODD COUPLE
http://prophecyexperimentalzone.blogspot.com.es/2012/12/04-us-israel-nostradamus.html

4 HOPI, THE WAR & THE COMET.
http://prophecyexperimentalzone.blogspot.com.es/2012/11/03-us-hopi-prophecy-about-comet-that.html

3 AFGANISTAN & THE VERDICT


2 JOVIALISTE = U S A
http://prophecyexperimentalzone.blogspot.com.es/2012/07/us-jovialiste-nostradamus-word.html

1 U S A, BIRTH & GO ORIENT
http://prophecyexperimentalzone.blogspot.com.es/2012/07/01-usa-and-nostradamus-to-east.html
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 More Info:
http://www.definitions.net/definition/ulema
http://ardictionary.com/Ulema/64

Bye From Spain

JSP.

b4
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ADDENDA ET CORRIGENDA (in progress)

+ THE COUNTDOWN +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltszLxRWUSM

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How the U.S. Quietly Lost the IED War in Afghanistan.   
Analysis by Gareth Porter
http://www.ipsnews.net/2012/10/how-the-u-s-quietly-lost-the-ied-war-in-afghanistan/
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Desertions plague Afghan army- One third of forces replaced each year
By Rod Nordland THE NEW YORK TIMES
http://www.telegram.com/article/20121016/NEWS/110169907/1052/news01#.UH2fxVFFbSh
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France ends combat mission in Afghanistan
Nijrab Base(Afghanistan),
+ Nov 20, 2012 (AFP)
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/293179/france-ends-combat-mission-afghanistan.html
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 Taliban vow to keep killing Afghan officials (source AP) 
+February 22, 2013    
 http://gulftoday.ae/portal/543717c4-9455-4e61-8c57-d5fe83e9707c.aspx
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Karzai orders US special forces out of Afghan province (source BBC)
+24 February 2013
 "The decision was being taken due to allegations of disappearances and torture by Afghans considered to be part of US special forces, said a spokesman for Hamid Karzai."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21566295
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Afghan insurgent attacks misreported, did not fall in 2012 - NATO
Reuters. By Phil Stewart. February 26, 2013.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afghan-insurgent-attacks-misreported-did-not-fall-2012-221630119.html
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Top U.S. commander talks extending Afghanistan mission
By Elizabeth Palmer, April 2, 2013 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57577620/top-u.s-commander-talks-extending-afghanistan-mission/
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 Afghan heroin production soars as foreign troops pull-out, says UN
 By Damien Gayle.  15 April 2013

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309481/Heroin-production-tripled-Helmand-British-troops-arrived-2006-claims-UN-report.html#ixzz2QkoM00bo
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 "With Bags of Cash, C.I.A. Seeks Influence in Afghanistan"
By MATTHEW ROSENBERG. Published: April 28, 2013 

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/29/world/asia/cia-delivers-cash-to-afghan-leaders-office.html?hp&_r=1&

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 Published June 19, 2013

Al Qaeda Terrorist Threat Is Growing
"Official, private assessments contradict president’s claim that group is on ‘path to defeat"

by Bill Gertz, is the senior editor of the Washington Free Beacon.
http://freebeacon.com/al-qaeda-terrorist-threat-is-growing/
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"A rare glimpse inside the world of an ex-jihadist Afghan warlord"

This story was originally published on Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:24 AM EDT
By Jamieson Lesko, Producer, NBC News

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/21/20560332-a-rare-glimpse-inside-the-world-of-an-ex-jihadist-afghan-warlord?lite
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"Can release of former Taliban No. 2 boost Afghan peace talks?"

This story was originally published on Sat Sep 21
By Fakhar ur Rehman, NBC News correspondent

 http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/21/20619740-can-release-of-former-taliban-no-2-boost-afghan-peace-talks
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 "Afghan troop deaths hit record amid US exit"

    Casualty levels "approach rates that we took in Vietnam"

- U.S. Army Lt. Gen. Mark Milley, the commander of the International Security Assistance Force Joint Command
Published September 21, 2013
The Wall Street Journal
 Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/09/21/afghan-troop-deaths-hit-record-amid-us-exit/?intcmp=HPBucket#ixzz2fYyPjlBl

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 "The last casualties: As a long war ends,risks still prove real "

 “There’s a very serious concern that we will potentially not learn the lessons of this war for the next one,” he said. “After Korea and Vietnam, the money ran out, the resources ran out, skills started to wane. Are we going to make the same mistake after this conflict?”
Washington Post.com
+ Written by Ernesto Londoño, Published: March 5 2014
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/the-last-casualties-as-a-long-war-ends-risks-still-prove-real/2014/03/04/55905998-8a90-11e3-a5bd-844629433ba3_story.html

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"Taliban Making Military Gains in Afghanistan"

Their advance has gone unreported because most American forces have left the field and officials in Kabul have largely refused to talk about it. The Afghan ministries have not released casualty statistics since an alarming rise in army and police deaths last year.
 

The New York Times +By AZAM AHMEDJULY 26, 2014
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/world/asia/taliban-making-military-gains-in-afghanistan.html?_r=2
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September/October 2015 
" Kunduz battle raises Afghanistan fears" 

+ The Taliban seized the provincial capital of Kunduz on September, prompting the United States to play a more active role in the fight there. A hospital run by Doctors Without Borders was badly damaged by what appeared to be American airstrikes (killing at least 22 and wounding nearly 40).

+ The fall of the northern city of Kunduz to the Taliban on Monday may have proved shortlived, but it has prompted an uncomfortable question: is Afghanistan going the way of Iraq?
Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/09/29/world/asia/afghanistan-taliban-maps.html?_r=0

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